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hello everyone welcome back to the

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disclosure team channel i'm really

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really happy to be having this upcoming

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conversation um i was excited the other

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day when i woke up to see that

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congressional hearings were going to be

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happening next week as i think a lot of

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people were so naturally i reached out

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straight away to ralph and said i'd love

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to chat and

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he obliged so let's jump straight into

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it guys i'd like to welcome

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ralph blumenthal ralph how are you doing

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hey great nice nice to be here with you

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thank you thank you so much for agreeing

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so ralph let l i'm going to start with a

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a question which i'm not sure you you'll

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be able to answer in depth but

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i'd like to know how

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you get these breaking stories and what

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the process might be about that

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well uh you know i've been working with

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leslie kane for a long time and she has

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particularly good sources um in and out

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of the government so we knew about these

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hearings for quite a while um and we

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knew they were going to be coming up we

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didn't know exactly when we knew

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probably in in may or later may

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and um

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our concern was really uh

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not to have it leak because as soon as

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you start asking questions you know you

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start to disturb the you roil the waters

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and and and washington is a sieve um a

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lot of people in the congressional

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committees have friends in the media so

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we were concerned that

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it was like a catch-22 i mean you you

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start to ask questions that you need to

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do for the reporting and then you end up

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you know sort of uh

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broadcasting your intentions so it was

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kind of nerve-wracking for a while

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because we we we knew this we couldn't

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really talk about it and we wanted to

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protect our exclusive

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and luckily it did hold and we broke the

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story last week

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yeah now the hearing in itself is

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intended to focus on the aoi msg the

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airborne object identification and

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management synchronization group

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now the announcement of this group last

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year caused some controversy when it was

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announced because of the timing when the

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gila brand amendment was actually

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pushing for a new office to be formed so

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a lot of people felt that the pentagon

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were attempting to

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hold keep control of the narrative did

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you did you feel that at all well first

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of all that that acronym doesn't exactly

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roll off the tongue

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maybe they designed it that way to keep

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it secret because you can't even say it

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but um

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well i think there was a lot of you know

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play behind the scenes that we we don't

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really know about but the pentagon

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probably wanted to hold on to you know

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its primacy of this through the

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uap task force

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but gillibrand i think was was really

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very smart to try to broaden it and get

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allies in congress

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to try to get it into a better forum

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and not just be dependent on the

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pentagon so um

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i think it's a healthy development and i

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think you know there's been much too

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much secrecy about this thing from the

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very beginning as you know decades

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these are the first hearings in 50 54

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i mean that's a long time and and the

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hearings that did happen

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back then were often misleading

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so um i think these are all positive

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developments by the way that gillibrand

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amendment got through that there's a new

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group that there's a willingness to hold

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hearings so

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um that's that's all positive

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yeah absolutely i agree uh now andre

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carson um made a comment and he said

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that the hearing is about examining

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steps that the pentagon can take to

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reduce the stigma surrounding reporting

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by military pilots and civilian pilots

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which i totally agree with but i feel

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that it needs to extend beyond pilots

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into into military branches and agencies

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as well do you think that that will

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change in time

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probably slowly i mean again you got to

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look at the progress that has been made

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and i know it's easy to look ahead and

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say gee we're still

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there's still too much ridicule um you

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know we still don't know a lot

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we know very little really about what

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the government has has compiled so if

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you look at that side of the you know

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the empty half of the glass um it's it

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can be pretty depressing but if you say

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you know how far we've come um

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and um so i think uh you know that's all

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to the good and i think um

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there's still too much

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ridicule as you know i mean

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representative carson himself said he's

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expected to take some heat for this

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hearing which is ridiculous when you

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think of it i mean heat to examine a

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phenomenon that has you know

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flabbergasted

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flummoxed

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confounded our best experts for more

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than a half a century i mean uh and yet

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they're still taking heat for that so he

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had to say that and indicate you know

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that um maybe take a little bit of the

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sting off it but the stigma is still

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there and a lot of people in congress

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are afraid to get out front on this

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issue and maybe there's strength in

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numbers so maybe you know the hearing

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tuesday enough of them will

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um you know give each other courage so

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that they can ask some tough questions

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so uh you know we'll see

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yeah absolutely and you mentioned

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previously about the excessive secrecy

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that has been going on for so long and

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adam schiff the chairman of the house

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intelligence committee uh he he was

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quoted as saying one of the great

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mysteries of our time and to break the

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cycle of excessive secrecy and

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speculation with truth and transparency

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now there's been a lot of discussion

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recently about this secrecy christopher

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mellon's mentioned it a few times so do

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you think congress is aware of that and

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actually are trying to do something

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about it proactively yeah you'd have to

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be deaf dumb and blind you know not to

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know what what's gone on um in the past

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um you know the history of this uh issue

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this phenomenon is really very shameful

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when you go back to it i mean the

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misinformation the disinformation going

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back to the 50s

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and uh you know the the government

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dismissed these as hallucinations as

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illusions fly specs on the windscreen

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you know marsh gas

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all natural phenomena reflections from

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the desert floor you go back and um and

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all along the data was there um and and

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and um you know uh right after world war

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ii we had the most highly trained uh

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military pilots in the world

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and they were seeing these things and

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you can't tell them that they they were

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seeing the planet venus

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you know so um the the data was there

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but the government just you know covered

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it up and misled the american people and

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it's it really is a shameful

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period and now i think we're we made a

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lot of progress yeah i absolutely agree

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it's going to take a second to give a

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shout out to lara thank you for the

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donation lara says thank you mr

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blumenthal for your dedication and

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persistence and to vinnie as well thank

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you so much lara that's very very kind

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of you appreciate it

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and now that we've also learned that

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there's going to be closed hearings

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straight after the hearings do you think

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that that is just where the sort of

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classified information will be discussed

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sources and methods and yeah it will be

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i mean the committee has already said

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that there'll be a classified session

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after the public session so you know

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right away that should make you a little

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uneasy like what are they saying in the

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classified session that they can't say

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in the public session and i mean that's

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always been the issue as you know the

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uap report that came out last june a

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nine-page report some people thought it

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was too skimpy um but that was followed

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by a classified uh report that was given

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to congressional committees we don't

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really know what's in that so there's

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you know we're always playing this game

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that congress publicly is given this

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information then privately they're given

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more information so we don't know

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we can speculate but we don't know

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what's in that and you know we've been

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very careful in our reporting to stick

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to what we can

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attribute um because you know on the on

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the web there's all kinds of rumors and

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stuff floating around and we we've been

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very careful in the new york times to uh

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focus on what we can attribute what we

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can say we know is true and not and to

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speculate and not you know no heavy

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breathing that secret sources tell us

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this and

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i think that inspires um skepticism

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yeah i mean there's all kinds of

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information out there as you know but to

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separate that from what and you know

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what what has come out has been really

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very very limited i mean uh people

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always ask well who's behind these ufos

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where do they come from what do they

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want where are the aliens and we we

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haven't dealt with any of that in our

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reporting because it's all speculative

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we don't know what we do know

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is that they have been these objects uh

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first of all they're real because the

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government has now admitted that for the

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first time in the report last june uh

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these objects are not illusions they're

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not you know uh

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some mystical

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marsh gas or reflections where they

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they're real physical objects but other

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than that nobody knows so but that that

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in itself is is his progress

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yeah absolutely i mean one thing we did

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learn from the

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the the the briefing from last year

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sorry the report from last year john

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greenwald of the black vault managed to

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get the heavily redacted version and one

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thing we learned was that there was the

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shapes they were talking about the

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shapes of these things but they felt the

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need to redact them even though that

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doesn't give out the sort of sources and

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methods so i think a lot of people were

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confused about that what do you think

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exactly i think that there's absolutely

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much too much secrecy things like shapes

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first of all that's not a big secret uh

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shapes have been talked about by people

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flying saucer era uh they're triangles

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they're you know they're around they're

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cigar-shaped uh tic-tac-shaped most

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recently they've been described as

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so um you know why are they redacting

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that um

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that seems to be you know overkill

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yeah absolutely now you mentioned

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earlier as well that these are the first

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hearings in over 50 years there was

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i think 66 and 68. uh i think in 66 the

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air force just put it off to things like

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swamp gas and i think by 69 the air

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force had concluded that ufos had no

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threat to national security which

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obviously is simply not the case right

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do you think there's a chance we could

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see something similar with these

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hearings or do you think the door is

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well and truly open now that such levels

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of secrecy and obfuscation can't creep

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back in yeah well i think they can't say

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any more that these things aren't real

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because they've already said they are

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real so we have to move on from that

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and um you know there are a lot of

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questions about the data for example

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some of the sightings by

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our veteran pilots like dave fraber have

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suggested that these things are

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operating trans-medium in the water as

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well they've been seen

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entering the water or under the water

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coming out of the water i mean that is

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an amazing question

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because you know we can almost

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understand as uh hypersonic objects in

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the atmosphere we've been conditioned to

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you know to understand that think of

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that but underwater i mean you know

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water is a very um difficult medium to

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uh to to operate in quickly fast

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because the water resistance and if some

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objects can operate underwater as

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submarines have seen and as they've been

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eyeballed coming into and out of the

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water well that's sensational news

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so um i don't know how much of that

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might come out the trans medium aspect

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and of course the question that we

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raised very

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carefully in a limited way in the new

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york times as to whether the government

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is in possession of any actual materials

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um

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uh the congressional committees were

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briefed with a series of slides one of

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which we showed in the new york times

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on um

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on possible recoveries of um

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whatever you want to call it anomalous

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material

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so that would be sensational

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and there's been a lot of stories over

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the years about that again we stuck to

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what we could document in the new york

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times we didn't go

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into into you know speculation and

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there's a lot of crazy stuff floating

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around that may be true but you can't

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prove it um but what we do know is that

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congressional committees were briefed on

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uh

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some possible material recoveries

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and

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non-earthly in other words it was not

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anything that um that they could

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identify as products of of earthly

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technology

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so

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and you know that brings up the question

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which is often raised well could these

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things be super secret u.s technology or

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russian or chinese

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and uh and that's trotted out

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periodically it was in the report last

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june as a possible explanation well

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maybe it's you know russian or chinese

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but

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you know they they had to go through all

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the possibilities in this report and

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then they pretty much rejected them one

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by one um that they were not natural

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phenomena they weren't cloud formations

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they weren't uh you know thunder clouds

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they weren't all these things and they

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weren't chinese and russian because

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the technology is so superior to

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anything we know

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uh on earth

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um so we're pretty much you know the

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people we've talked to at the times have

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discounted the possibility that this

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could be um

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you know technology of our adversaries

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so what's left i mean you do the logic

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uh there's no answer

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except that well it ain't from from

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earth so you know go figure

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yeah uh just a quick message to

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everybody in the chat i've only got

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ralph for a very limited time so i will

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i won't be able to get to all of your

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questions but i did notice this one here

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which i think is really good uh ressy

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tube asks does ralph believe the

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provenance of these objects is known at

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least at a certain military level or are

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the military as baffled as everyone else

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i think they know more than they're

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saying uh for example um

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nasa uh has obviously uh you know very

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sophisticated uh surveillance

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technology because they're they're in

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the space station and they're way up

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there so they can see if these objects

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are entering the atmosphere um we have

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uh defense technology you know the norad

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system that guards against the missile

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attacks so uh you know have they seen

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these objects entering the atmosphere um

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those are those are really good

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questions and i think

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um

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uh you know i don't want to speculate on

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the answer but i i would say that it's

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probably more than has been

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put out publicly because there's a

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certain defense aspect to this everybody

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knows that and the government doesn't

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always say everything it knows um

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so to answer the question i think they

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they do know more than they're saying

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yeah i think that was like one of the

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questions that uh christopher mellon was

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uh he put out a list of questions on

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twitter and i think that was along those

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kind of lines as well um but the thing

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as well what i find strange is that aoi

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msg the group is actually situated under

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os usdi

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which i think is limited in its scope

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and it may not be able to meet the needs

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of congress so surely it would be better

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placed somewhere else i don't know odni

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or even space force do you agree with

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that well i don't know where this thing

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could could be i mean

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it is tricky first of all you know

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most of the most

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sophisticated uh agencies we have the

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surveillance military agencies so

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uh ultimately under the pentagon and you

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know the problem they came across with

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the previous um

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uh agency a tip which is what we broke

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in the new york times in 2017 that the

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pentagon had actually a secret office

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that was monitoring

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um

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you know uap or ufos whatever they want

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to call it

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and the problem was that atip could not

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get the top security clearance to to

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investigate and um

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uh

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you know this is there's so much secrecy

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and so many levels of uh super secret uh

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you know uh

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classified

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areas in the government that even an

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agency officially tasked in the pentagon

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with

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investigating this phenomena couldn't

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get access to the special access groups

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that is holding this information

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so um

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that's that's the problem that the

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information is very very tightly held

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and um

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penetrating this uh the reason it's been

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secret for so long for a reason because

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closing this off smoke stacking it or

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whatever you want to call it that only

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certain people have access to this

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information it's not shared widely in

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the government even presidents uh we've

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heard uh have not been able to penetrate

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this you know

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um it's not something that is is

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normally briefed back and forth to

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different agencies so

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it's it's very very tightly held

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yeah um i'm just gonna shout out sneaky

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toaster thank you for the five dollars

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uh the question which do you put more

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stock in or credibility in or sap or a

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tip and do you think james webb

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telescope science discovery will be a

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key part to soften public backlash uh

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well asap

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an atip asap was the previous agency um

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and atip was the public name of it they

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played games with these names you know

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that some of the names are more public

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than other names um and um at the new

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york times we just kept calling it atip

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and you know

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uh not to confuse readers that it went

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under different names and um but um i

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think the the web telescope is in is a

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real

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potentially huge advance because that

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can if that pokes into space and sees

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these if these things are really

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interplanetary

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um and come from from truly from outer

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space they they could or should be

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picked up somehow somewhere and these

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telescopes i mean they're now you know

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we just had the story

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broken the other day about the black

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hole at the heart of the milky way

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galaxy

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and they took pic and they have

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images of another black hole 55 million

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light years away so that's even further

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away so they can do that

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maybe they can pick up these objects

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traversing space um

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so that would be sensational now would

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they release that if they have those

520
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images you know that's something that

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congress could perhaps pry out

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yeah do you think this whole

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situation within the government it helps

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that it's actually bipartisan effort as

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well

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yeah i mean i think this is one thing

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that hopefully both parties in our very

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fractured democracy can agree on that it

529
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be nice to get the answers to some of

530
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these questions it's completely not you

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don't there's no republican or

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democratic answer to these questions and

533
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you know in the old science fiction

534
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movies the threat from outer space was

535
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always the thing that brought the world

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together so um that that is probably a a

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very helpful aspect to this that there

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is no

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certainly in this country

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there's no partisan way to look at this

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issue nobody can get an advantage one

542
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way or the other

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um in in hiding or putting out this

544
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information so everybody has an interest

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and most of all the american people have

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an interest in knowing this stuff

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because it's our future you know and

548
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uh

549
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we we need to know what the

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potential is for what the questions that

551
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are raised are the most fundamental

552
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questions

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um in the history of humanity are we

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alone what else is out there

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how did creation start

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um you can't get

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bigger questions than that

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00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:48,159
yeah absolutely and now since the

559
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,360
announcement of the hearings you know

560
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,280
i've been updating all my social medias

561
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,960
with with all the the news as it comes

562
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,720
in and things but i've seen an awful lot

563
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,559
of people commenting things like the

564
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,240
government will never tell us anything

565
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,159
it's just deflection tactics it's

566
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,320
another nothing burger what sort of

567
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,919
response would you give to those kind of

568
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,400
comments no i don't believe that i think

569
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:08,400
progress comes i think we've made

570
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:11,600
progress i think it's very easy to be

571
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,080
cynical um it's also easy to be overly

572
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,000
optimistic and say this is the beginning

573
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,000
of disclosure this is you know when we

574
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,000
did our reporting leslie and i and

575
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:24,640
helene cooper in the beginning um

576
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,000
one of the things we heard was oh this

577
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,640
is part of a careful plan to feed out

578
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,480
limited infamous you know

579
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,799
there are always people who have

580
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:35,039
a conspiratorial bent and they will tell

581
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,559
you that this is all part of a

582
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,960
conspiracy to do this or that i've been

583
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:40,799
reporting long enough to know that it's

584
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:43,200
very hard to maintain a con a real

585
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,679
conspiracy um so i don't believe that um

586
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,159
this was trotted out at this particular

587
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,480
time for a particular reason i think we

588
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,440
did some really good reporting um we had

589
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,200
some good luck we had some good sources

590
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,840
we got the story out it was not fed to

591
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:01,440
us i can tell you that

592
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,720
it was you know nobody uh put this out

593
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:06,559
in the new york times for any ulterior

594
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,080
motive that we could ever uh discern we

595
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,559
we dug it out because we talked to the

596
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,559
right people um

597
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:17,200
and by the same token um i don't think

598
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,039
it's it's wise or accurate to downplay

599
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:23,760
and say ah this is just all you know

600
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,720
window dressing it's nonsense um because

601
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,640
there's too many moving parts here i

602
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,559
mean there are people involved in the

603
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,679
secrecy

604
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,679
some of whom i've spoken to who would

605
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,799
like to see

606
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:36,960
the veil lifted and more information out

607
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,159
not everything but a good part of it um

608
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,679
there's struggles going on behind the

609
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:43,440
scenes it's a complicated business and

610
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,600
there's no one orchestrating it to the

611
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,120
point of you know

612
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,200
hand feeding out the information or

613
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,440
clamping down on the information saying

614
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,200
this can't come out i think that they

615
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,720
will try

616
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,720
to be careful in the hearings

617
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:58,880
they being you know the government

618
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,840
bray and moultrie the two star witnesses

619
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,600
um i don't think they're going to you

620
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,630
but i think they'll be careful i think

621
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,159
uh there will be a lot of thought

622
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,720
beforehand on what they could say should

623
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,799
say in response to questions after all

624
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,440
there are some security aspects involved

625
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,919
here you know how much we know

626
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:21,520
we the government knows about this

627
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,120
phenomenon what we don't want our

628
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:25,280
adversaries to know what we think our

629
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,720
adversaries do they're doing the same

630
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,320
thing by the way the russians and

631
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,880
chinese from everything we know are also

632
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,320
investigating and they're trying to

633
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:34,480
reverse engineer this phenomenon

634
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,400
whatever it is um so you know we're

635
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,480
we are competing so not not everything's

636
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,919
going to be laid out

637
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,559
in the public record i understand that

638
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,360
so um but i i don't think that we should

639
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,200
be cynical and say oh this is just

640
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,440
window dressing this is ridiculous yeah

641
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,360
i mean sometimes i kind of understand

642
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,919
the cynicism because it's been so long

643
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,159
that this has been hidden from us but at

644
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,840
the same time for me personally i do

645
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,279
feel like there's a bit of a change at

646
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,720
the moment a little maybe i wouldn't go

647
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,320
as far as saying a paradigm shift but it

648
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,000
feels like something's a little bit

649
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,919
different in this day and age how do you

650
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,360
feel about that kind of thing yeah a lot

651
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,360
has come out i mean a lot some has come

652
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,159
out and as i said the ua repo uap

653
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,720
reported last june almost a year ago

654
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,159
when they said you know we looked at all

655
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:20,640
the phenom they said all but one

656
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,080
um of the 140 some odd cases that they

657
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,320
featured in this report uh remain a

658
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,720
mystery so that's a far cry from you

659
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,400
know what the air force said that oh

660
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,799
this was all explained in blue book um

661
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,440
even though there were 700 701 cases

662
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,720
left on the table that were not

663
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,760
explained

664
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,600
they didn't they didn't feature that but

665
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,200
they said oh no this has been you know

666
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,120
explained away and this is all

667
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,880
ridiculous nothing to see here folks you

668
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,520
know just move on so um

669
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:50,799
and now this uap report said that uh all

670
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,720
but uh one of the 140 some odd cases uh

671
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,320
remain unexplained

672
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,640
so that's that's a lot of progress and

673
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,279
um i think there's a greater willingness

674
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,360
willingness now and the reporting that

675
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,600
we and others have done i think have

676
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,760
helped push that door open

677
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,360
yeah absolutely and will the new york

678
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,880
times have a presence at the hearings

679
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,960
for reporting it as they happen i'm sure

680
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,440
they will i mean uh they cover congress

681
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,279
uh they will probably cover with their

682
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,440
own people out of the washington bureau

683
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:21,039
but um

684
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,000
uh

685
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,559
absolutely i mean i think this is not

686
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,080
the kind of thing that

687
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,480
will pass unnoticed and you won't be

688
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,559
going yourself then i will not be going

689
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,320
uh because they you know we have a big

690
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,080
bureau there i'm a contributor to the

691
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,320
times now i was on the staff for many

692
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,440
years but now i'm um not on the staff

693
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,720
anymore so

694
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,320
when i come up with a good story look

695
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,919
with leslie uh

696
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,799
um we you know we've had a chance to

697
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,720
break that story as outsiders in the new

698
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,960
york times as contributors so i think

699
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,039
they'll probably handle that in-house

700
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,720
excellent i look forward to seeing some

701
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,720
more coverage and hopefully you know for

702
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:59,200
the weeks following um

703
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,400
have you got anything in the works that

704
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,480
you can talk about at all

705
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,400
well you know leslie and i continue to

706
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,799
talk to sources we we

707
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,120
you know we have a lot of things pending

708
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,559
and information requests out there um

709
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,640
and when we feel we have enough pulled

710
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,159
together we'll try to break it in the

711
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,320
new york times uh we're certainly not at

712
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,000
the end you know we haven't answered all

713
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,039
the questions um there's a lot of you

714
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,799
know cases out there that are

715
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,200
interesting they come up all the time

716
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:28,159
um

717
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,600
write everything we we hear about till

718
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,440
we you know nail it down

719
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,120
so um

720
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,960
and you know the the the hearing may

721
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:41,200
open open up some new doors i mean it

722
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,240
may give

723
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,840
courage and confidence to people

724
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:45,200
whistleblowers

725
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:46,159
and

726
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,320
who have information clearly there's

727
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,480
more information that has come out so

728
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,679
far

729
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,840
we'd like to hear some of that and to

730
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,760
see if we could um

731
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:59,200
yeah we're definitely going to keep up

732
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,400
our reporting

733
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,120
excellent now for somebody that's

734
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:04,960
written and studied the the work of john

735
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,320
mack so much dare i ask what you think

736
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,919
he might think of what's happening at

737
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,120
the moment

738
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,880
well i think he'd be very encouraged you

739
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,960
know he was very uh

740
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,679
courageous as a harvard psychiatrist who

741
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,360
heard from his

742
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,919
patients and people who sought him out

743
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:24,080
that they had these encounters with

744
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,000
alien beings and um it was even more

745
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,720
ridicule provoking then

746
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,039
than it is today because now it's become

747
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,039
sort of part of the culture but it was

748
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,679
more sensational then and yet um he

749
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,000
resolved to try to get to the bottom of

750
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,640
it and uh he he paid a big price harvard

751
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,799
put him under investigation uh he

752
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,159
suffered

753
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:48,880
jimmy a lot of ridicule

754
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:52,159
but um as i say in my book the believer

755
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,039
um

756
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,240
he uh he went about it in a very

757
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,440
rigorous way uh he he focus in a book he

758
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,120
wrote he focused on 13 case studies he

759
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,880
interviewed the people extensively

760
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,159
talked about their background their

761
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,480
history their psychiatric history and he

762
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,960
found that there was nothing in their

763
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,080
history

764
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,480
to suggest that they were

765
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,159
deluded or crazy uh or or that they had

766
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,679
anything to gain from telling these

767
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,120
stories on the contrary they were

768
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,200
ashamed of they couldn't understand what

769
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,960
had happened they said to him please

770
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,200
tell me i'm crazy and he said no you're

771
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,120
not crazy but you have had some kind of

772
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,360
experience that we cannot explain

773
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,080
and there were so many of these stories

774
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,640
and and so similar in a way and they

775
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:37,919
occurred to

776
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,480
uh men and women old young professionals

777
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,559
blue collar even children as young as

778
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,279
two who told stories about being taken

779
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,760
up in the in the in the sky you know by

780
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:49,840
little beings and these children have

781
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:50,640
not

782
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,120
read books or seen movies about aliens

783
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,440
they didn't know you know they just

784
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,840
so that all added to the mystery and mac

785
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:59,919
pursued it he didn't come up with the

786
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,080
answer but the people who claim there's

787
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,760
an answer like oh it's you know it's

788
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,760
sleep paralysis it's

789
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,240
it's this it's oh they're hypno

790
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,480
hypnosis planted these stories none of

791
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:11,360
that

792
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,080
the so-called skeptics i wish they'd

793
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,159
spend a little more time studying

794
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:20,559
the the literature and the stories

795
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,840
because it remains a a deep profound

796
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:26,080
mystery we don't know but we know at

797
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,039
least

798
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,399
what it's not

799
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,399
and it's not all the things that you

800
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,080
know a lot of people think they they

801
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,640
know it's not mental illness it's not

802
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,799
you know natural phenomena

803
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,440
misunderstood so what it is we don't

804
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:42,080
know yeah i highly recommend everybody

805
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,520
go out and check out ralph's book the

806
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,880
believer i think it's available on

807
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,120
amazon and all the kind of regular

808
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,600
outlets um so my final question ralph is

809
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,279
do you have any plans to write another

810
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,720
book

811
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,640
you know this took a lot out of me this

812
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,520
was seven years i started this when mack

813
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,279
was run over in london

814
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,520
um a lot of people had conspiracy

815
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,679
theories he had gone to london for a

816
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,200
conference on

817
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:07,360
lawrence of arabia he wrote a pulitzer

818
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,720
won a pulitzer prize i mean his

819
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,240
biography of

820
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,360
of t.e lawrence um was spectacular it

821
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,240
was a psychological

822
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:18,159
you know biography of one of the most

823
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:20,840
enigmatic figures in

824
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,399
history um and um he went to london 30

825
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,000
years later for a conference after the

826
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,679
book had come out and he was run over

827
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,120
and looked the wrong way which happens

828
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,720
in your country

829
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,200
we the yanks go over there and look the

830
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,200
wrong way and

831
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:36,880
it was a guy who had too much to drink

832
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,320
as i point out in my book and um

833
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,039
um and that's when i started my research

834
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,760
and that was you know 17 years ago and

835
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,480
it's been i got access to all his papers

836
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:51,520
from his family and um stuff that had

837
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,559
never come out his unpublished articles

838
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,039
and his his own therapy sessions by the

839
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,600
way as a psychiatrist he had to go into

840
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,720
therapy himself with a therapist

841
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:04,480
so we know what was going on in his mind

842
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,190
he was just curious so anyway um so i

843
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,720
haven't figured out my next um

844
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,399
project yet but i've done some articles

845
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,000
in the new york times and other things

846
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,919
so i'm always looking around

847
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,679
excellent well ralph we've just got over

848
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,279
the half an hour mark i cannot thank you

849
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,720
enough for agreeing to come and talk to

850
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,000
me today um for everybody watching um

851
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,919
the congressional hearings are going to

852
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:32,080
be streamed live on youtube but i'm

853
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,519
going to be joining a group of friends

854
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,000
over on witness citizen sean's channel

855
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,600
as they happen we're going to watch

856
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,000
along and discuss anything that's said

857
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,080
so come and check that out if you want

858
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,840
but for now everyone again thank you

859
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,360
ralph thank you everyone for watching

860
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,080
live and i hope to see you soon